Administrative Questions
What was the passing grade on the quiz? How are grades
A, B, C determined?
This is determined by Prof. Roland. Usually the A/B/C
division is determined at the end of the semester.
Can we go over the quiz with you?
I'm not going to cover the solutions in recitation, since
I think you went over it in lecture. I think Prof. Roland
will probably put the solutions on the web. If you want to go
over any particular question, please come to my office hours
or grab me before or after class.
I couldn't make it to recitation; how can I get my quiz?
You can get it next recitation, or find me in lecture tomorrow.
Content Questions
How does potential difference relate to capacitance?
Does capacitance depend on potential or work, or both?
Capacitance is defined to be
: it's the amount of charge you can
dump on some object for a given potential. Potential is related to
work: it's the amount of work per charge it takes to achieve some
particular configuration of charges. So you can think of capacitance
in two ways: it's inversely related to work needed to place a given
charge on an object or, equivalently, it's a quantity which
tells you the amount of charge you can store for a given potential.
An important point: capacitance is a property of an object.
The amount of charge you can store for a given potential
depends on the object's geometry and material.
For the spherical conductor, how did you relate
to
?
We found the potential on the surface of the spherical conductor
to be
.
and
are proportional, and
is the
constant of proportionality. Since
, plugging in
,
.
When finding the electric field from a sheet of charge,
, where does the factor of 2 in the denominator come from?
See example 22-6 in your text. Imagine you have an infinite sheet of
charge. Then imagine a Gaussian surface with the sheet going through
the center of it, and the two ends of the Gaussian surface parallel to
the sheet. This surface could be a box,
a cylinder, - it doesn't matter, because Gauss' Law
is true for any surface. The electric field from the infinite sheet
is pointing perpendicular to the sheet, by symmetry. The vector
of the Gaussian surface is parallel to
on the two
ends of the surface, and perpendicular to
on the sides of
the surface. So
is only non-zero on the ends
of the Gaussian surface. So the LHS of Gauss' Law is
, where you have a
factor of 2 because you are integrating over both ends. The
RHS of Gauss' Law is
, where
is the charge inside
the surface. So
, and solving for
,
, and since surface charge density is
, then
.
Notice that this field
is constant; in other words, it's
independent of distance from the sheet. This is only true
for an infinite sheet, which is an approximation you can use
when you are a distance away from the sheet which is much smaller than
the size of the sheet.
In the parallel plates example, how did you find the electric field?
Why was the electric field outside zero, if points outside the
plates are closer to one plate than the other? Why isn't
zero
in the center of the plates?
To find the field both inside and outside,
you can use superposition. Say you have a
sheet on
the right and a
sheet on the left.
Consider a point inside the plates.
There's a contribution from the
sheet, away from the
sheet,
so to the left, of magnitude
. There's
also a contribution from the
sheet, towards the
sheet, so
also to the left. The total field is the vector sum, so
to the left. This value is constant,
everywhere between the plates.
Outside the sheets, say at a point to the right of the
sheet,
you have a contribution from the
sheet pointing away from
it, so to the right,
. The contribution
to the field from the
sheet is to the left, and of the
same magnitude. So these contributions are equal in magnitude
and opposite in direction, so they cancel outside the sheet.
Notice that the contributions from the two sheets that cancel outside
don't depend on distance, only on the charge density on the
plates. This results from our approximation of an infinite sheet.
(Of course in real life, things aren't infinite! This is an
approximation you can use for sheets that are large compared to their
separation and the distance away you are.)
In the tutorial, why did charge decrease when plates were
moved farther apart?
The charge decreased only for the connected-to-battery case.
The battery must keep a constant
between the plates.
Since field is
, it must decrease if plates are moved apart and
increases. Since field is also
, the charge
density is
; so if field decreases when the
plates move apart,
must decrease too.
In the tutorial, if the charge plates were not
insulated, would the charge density change? If so, how?
If the charge plates are not insulated (for example if they
are connected to a conductor or the ground), the charge will
leave the conductor (since charge always tries to spread out
as much as possible). If the plates are ``grounded'' (connected
to the Earth, which is a very large conductor), the charge
may leak away entirely, leaving the plates neutral.
In the tutorial, why was
? How did you get that
integral for
?
The potential difference is work done per charge by the electric force
over a path. This translates to
| (1) |
Here
and
are points at each plate, the
field
is constant between the plates, and
is
a path element, and we choose
at one plate.
The integral becomes
.
We get
for the magnitude of the potential (which
is the same as the potential difference, if one
side is defined to have
.)
What's the difference between normal conducting plates and
insulated conducting plates?
The plates themselves are the same. If the plate is ``insulated'',
that just means that any charges on it are prevented from leaving
by some material that is an insulator (charges can't move in
an insulator). For instance air is a pretty good insulator.
What would happen with three plates?
You could still calculate capacitance as the ratio
of charge stored to potential.
I think we will be seeing some examples of configurations
more complicated than 2 plates.
If capacitors store charge, how is it released? What does
it mean for something to be discharged?
If some charge has been put on a capacitor, it will stay
there if the capacitor is insulated. If the capacitor
is then connected to a conductor, the charge may flow away.
When the charge has flowed away and the object
is neutral, it's said to be ``discharged''.
Is capacitance always
, or is that just
for plates?
That's specifically for parallel plates. Other types of objects will
have different capacitances (related to their size, shape and material).
How can humans and the Earth act as capacitors? What did
you mean about tiny capacitors?
Any object can have a charge and can be at some potential; we can
therefore define capacitance for any object, even a Sparkly Frog. In
general, the larger the object, the larger the capacitance. But
capacitance is also related to material type: we'll talk about
dielectrics shortly. So it's possible to have an object with the same
capacitance as the Earth, but much smaller than the Earth, if its
geometry and material are chosen cleverly. Although technically,
anything is a capacitor, electronic components called ``capacitors''
are designed especially to have high capacitance. For instance, for a
parallel plate, capacitance is proportional to area, and inversely
proportional to separation. So you can get a very large capacitance
for a thin wrapped up foil, which has a lot of area and small
separation - see Figure 24-1 b in your text. That is how many
capacitors are constructed.
Dielectric materials
make a difference, too, as we will see soon.
In the HVPS problem, what range of current should we be getting for
the last 2 columns?
Note that the current in the last 2 columns is to be calculated (not
measured) according to
, where
is the measured output voltage.
The SI unit of current is amp, so you'll get amps if you use SI units
for
and
, which are volts (
) and ohms (
)
respectively.
is the equivalent resistance and should be in
(don't forget that ``M'' means a factor of
.) You
should be getting hundreds of volts for the HVPS output voltages.
What are the real-world applications of capacitance? Can you
give some examples?
There are enormously many real-world applications for
capacitors. Capacitors are components of just about any kind of
electronics that you use every day, from cell phones to computers.
They are used in your LVPS and HVPS. In the coming weeks, we will see
more explicitly how capacitors are used in circuits.
How does a battery work?
Think of the battery as a device whose job is to keep a constant
potential across its terminals. It does whatever it has to do to keep
that voltage: it pumps charge in and out as necessary. (This is a
description of what a battery does. Well, how does it
work, you might ask? This depends on the kind of battery. A
chemical battery uses chemical energy to push charges around: see
section 25-1 of your text. You may have seen this in the context of
chemistry, too. Note that the symbol used for battery, a short and a
long line parallel to each other, is also used to mean ``power
supply'', which is not necessarily strictly a battery. It's a device
that provides a constant voltage, like the LVPS and HVPS you use in
your experiments. These take power from a wall outlet and convert it to a
constant voltage that you specify by twiddling the pot. All of
this will make a bit more sense later... hang in there.)
I didn't understand the demo in class Monday March 3.
This was a funny shaped object with a sharp tip at one end and a smooth round shape at the other. Prof. Roland showed that there was more charge collected at the sharp tip, by scooping up the charge there and measuring it with an electroscope.
This object has a small ``radius of curvature'' at the sharp end and a large ``radius of curvature'' at the round end (think of a sharp vs blunt point... the curvature of a blunt point is more like a big sphere than the curvature of a sharp point).
Since the object is a conductor, its surface is all at the same
potential
. Although it is really all one object, imagine
approximating the object by a small sphere 1 (representing the sharp
end) connected to a large sphere 2 (representing the round end). The
potential of a sphere is
. The small sphere's potential is
, and the large sphere's is
. Since both are
at the same
,
. So the ratio of charges on the
spheres is
. So, big radius means small charge, and
vice versa. So, charge density is greater for small radius of
curvature, which is why there was more charge at the pointy end.
This is also why you get sparks at the pointy ends of things! When
the charge density
increases, so does the electric field.
When the electric field exceeds about 3 million V/m in air, air
``breaks down'' into ions and no longer acts as an insulator. Charge then
passes through the air, which appears as a spark. This is why a
lightning rod works, too. The electric field is higher at the pointy
end of a rod (where the radius of curvature is tiny)
than at your house, so the ``spark'' of lightning from the atmosphere
happens where the pointy thing is, not at some point on your house.
Tidbits
Best jokes from today's questionnaires:
What's long, green and has wheels? Grass, I lied about the wheels.
What's
?
. (Say this one out loud!)
A hot dog walks into a bar and he's hungry. He asks the bartender
``Can I get a burger?'' The bartender replies, ``We don't serve food
here!''
What's
? A house boat.
(Better joke selection today!!)